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you know you talk about okay we've got

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to you know they're like we're

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Strassmann and we shouldn't really be

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work you know we should like give him

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the benefit of the doubt Alex I just

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strongly disagree until we get some

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clarity hold on hold on I get your point

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there but that's not real either I mean

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everything you're saying is true so you

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know put together the other pieces that

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you're talking about with 911 I mean

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come on we've been at this for 17 years

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anyone who thinks we're gonna get to the

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bottom of 9/11 or someone's gonna come

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out and tell the truth that guy that I

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don't I haven't researched it enough to

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know if the guy is for real but that

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YouTube that was making the rounds in

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the last couple months of a inside

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operative CIA guy who says yeah here's

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how we brought down building seven it

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was a controlled demolition and it's a

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deathbed confession which we know in the

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court of law carries a lot more weight

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than a regular confession so I don't

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know if that's been debunked folks if it

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has I apologize I've been meaning to

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research that but I haven't but the like

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you pointed out the pentagon thing you

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know anyone who disclosed it looks at

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the Pentagon yeah it's like game over

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but come on we're never gonna get to the

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bottom of that so why no I don't worry

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well I'm not talking about I'm talking

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about from a pragmatic practical

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standpoint I'm saying we have to try and

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navigate all this stuff the best that we

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can and I'm just I'm just uncomfortable

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with the assume that they're all dirty

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thing because I think it can that can

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also lead us down a path where we're

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just create an echo chamber of

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confirming our own beliefs so if you

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have something about until we find out

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what's inside the government this is all

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you know angels dancing on the head of a

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pin who knows I just I don't have a clue

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I don't know if Strassmann is dirty how

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would I possibly know that I don't know

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I've never studied his work it could

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well be that is not but the point is we

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cannot go forward at this particular

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time but with all the time Joe we're all

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going forward all the time we're all

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trying let's figure out

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Alex let's go forward to some clarity of

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what exactly the government's doing

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because here's my point look this was

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all used against us once right it was

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all used against us the sex drugs and

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rock and roll culture was artificial it

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was used against us it really debased

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and damaged our culture and so now as we

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you know hat sit here we have you know

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this new era new drugs new research new

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government involvement we just aren't in

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a position until we know what is

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controlling the government to trust

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these things they hurt us once this time

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let's put a little scrutiny and sunlight

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on these things and you know it's it's

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like with Strassmann or any of the

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people that are kind of advocating sort

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of the Psychonauts right that are

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wanting this you know let's go into this

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area and try to do more research here's

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what I would say to them Alex you know

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what if you are really ethical then what

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you should do is is is not put the cart

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before the horse the first step should

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be we've got to really understand what

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the tradition of this psychedelic

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movement is that's the first thing we

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got to do we need informed consent so

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before you start promoting all of the

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advantages right spiritual development

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that these drugs can bring you've got to

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give the public the truth about the

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history of all of them and the truth

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about what the government did and what

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what it was trying to do and what sort

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of influence was trying to have if we

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get there we will have informed consent

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but if we if we don't get there if we

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don't if we're sitting there saying

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let's try it again I'm sorry I just to

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me it's just it's completely unethical

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until we get to the bottom of what

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happened and who did it and how it was

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designed and what the purpose of all the

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stuff was we shouldn't be trying to move

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forward with with you know psychedelic

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drugs and particularly drugs like the

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business with Strassmann where he's

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getting government funding man I would

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just say that on its surface is is just

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a really bad idea so

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let's stop pause and spend a little bit

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of time getting an understanding of what